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 Barrick Gold: a ticking time bomb:depuis le tps qu'on le dit

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MessageSujet: Re: Barrick Gold: a ticking time bomb:depuis le tps qu'on le dit   Jeu 15 Oct 2009 - 1:19

barrick continue à chercher de l'argent , les 4 milliards de $ qu'ils ont "récolté "ne leur suffisent pas ..

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Barrick-Announces-Pricing-of-iw-14417769.html?x=0&.v=1&.pf=loans&mod=pf-loans

encore $1.5 milliards de plus, pour boucler leur hedge book?? hoho encore un signal fort, lancé au marché ..

http://truthingold.blogspot.com/2009/10/american-barrick-issues-125-billion-in.html

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MessageSujet: Re: Barrick Gold: a ticking time bomb:depuis le tps qu'on le dit   Ven 30 Oct 2009 - 1:14

barrick annonce une perte nette de $5.7 milliards



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Oh, do I love this stuff. I can remember (like it was yesterday) former Barrick CEO mocking GATA publicly and calling us a bunch of nuts because of our aggressive barrage assailing Barrick’s ludicrous hedging program with the price of gold around $300 … one put in play to assist The Gold Cartel. Well, this is what they get and deserve for dissing us…


Barrick Gold posts net loss on $5.7 billion charge

TORONTO, Oct 29 (Reuters) - Barrick Gold Corp (ABX.TO) reported a third-quarter net loss on Thursday as it absorbed a $5.7 billion charge to unwind gold hedges, but the Canadian miner said core earnings rose, helped by higher gold prices…
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ABX Barrick Gold may sell non-core assets to raise acquisition funds - Bloomberg ($36.00 +$2.17)
Citing the CEO in an interview.
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Now, the question is WHEN and HOW are they going to cover their hedges? Maybe they were in there buying today.
JUST IN, late...
On the Call: Barrick Gold CEO Aaron Regent
By The Associated Press (AP) – 1 hour ago
Barrick Gold Corp. took a $5.7 billion charge in the third quarter stemming from the Toronto-based gold producer's decision to eliminate all its gold hedges.
The hedges are futures contracts that commit Barrick to sell the metal at predetermined prices.
While the contracts guarantee certain cash flows, they often commit Barrick to sell gold at prices lower than the current spot price. Barrick also has said it believes holding the hedges hurt its appeal among investors and weighed on its share price.
Aaron Regent, Barrick's president and chief executive officer, discussed the decision with analysts Thursday during a conference call.
QUESTION: Why didn't you reduce the fixed hedges more so than the floating hedges?
ANSWER: "I think they're two different animals. The floating hedges really are, as you know, just a crystallized liability; it's just money that we owe the banks.
"And so the timing of that just represents the, I guess the best opportunity that we have to pay down the banks ... in the most efficient way, and so that's really just a cash settlement.
"So there are a number of factors that go into our decision ... so that's a separate issue.
"On the fixed book, that really depends on WHEN we go into the market and buy the gold.
"So that's market-sensitive and we want to be opportunistic in the marketplace when we buy the gold back, so that really depends on when we buy the gold, the fixed book, whereas the floating book is strictly just a ... payment obligation that we have options on."

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MessageSujet: Re: Barrick Gold: a ticking time bomb:depuis le tps qu'on le dit   Ven 30 Oct 2009 - 2:21


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MessageSujet: Re: Barrick Gold: a ticking time bomb:depuis le tps qu'on le dit   Ven 30 Oct 2009 - 8:47

C'est quand même dingue (louche) cette histoire non ? comment la 1ere mine d'or au monde peut -elle perdre 6 Milliards de $ (avoués) alors que le prix spot a été X5 depuis 2001 ?

Cherchez l'erreur ou autre chose de plus probable et logique...
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MessageSujet: Re: Barrick Gold: a ticking time bomb:depuis le tps qu'on le dit   Ven 30 Oct 2009 - 14:35

T'es sérieux? relis le titre de cette file et les posts qu'elle contient

le Hedging de plusieurs années de prod sur des niveaux de 300$/oz, 354$/oz etc...que nous n'avons eu de cesse de contester et de combattre est la seule cause de ces résultats calamiteux...@+

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MessageSujet: Re: Barrick Gold: a ticking time bomb:depuis le tps qu'on le dit   Ven 30 Oct 2009 - 15:14

c'était du 2e degré , réflexion d'un quidam débarquant d'une autre planète en qq sorte...

je dirais plus prosaïquement (le hedging n'étant qu'un "outil") qu'ils ont volontairement vendu leur production à perte. Nous (goldospectateurs) savons "pourquoi" et cela n'en constitue pas moins une pratique frauduleuse légalement répréhensible... Les poursuites ne se font pas car il y a nécessairement eu une/des complicités financières. Pas de recours légal des actionnaires; le régulateur est bien sûr sourd et aveugle , comment vont ils boucher le "trou" qui se creuse à chaque $ du spot qui augmente ? bref ça sent le chapitre 11 et la saisie par cabalas pour une bouchée de pain. Ils avaient hier le contrôle sur barrick , aujourd'hui ils en sont les propriétaires , elle va tomber comme un fruit mûr.
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MessageSujet: nofear : Arrète de raconter des conneries...   Lun 2 Nov 2009 - 17:58

Barrick Chapter 11 ???

- As-tu la moindre idée de qui force une société à "file for Chapter 11" ?
(Hint : +/- idem que pour le redressement judiciaire en France ...)

C'est-à dire que les Actifs ne couvrent pas le passif.

As-tu la moindre idée de ce que sont les actifs de Barrick ?

Non, alors, please stop posting like a complete moron...

Ce qui n'empèche en rien Barrick de faire des pertes cette année, et de se faire remonter les bretelle par leurs actionnaires à la prochaine AG.

But: "Tomorrow is another day"...
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MessageSujet: Re: Barrick Gold: a ticking time bomb:depuis le tps qu'on le dit   Lun 2 Nov 2009 - 19:13

je sais PARFAITEMENT ce qu'est un actif et un passif et un dépôt de bilan...
Barrick a vendu à perte depuis 15 ans et plus...

Peut être connais-tu les VRAIS chiffres de barrick ?

Enron, Parmalat, Worldcom et tutti quanti avaient des comptas très positives cher ami...

Nous verrons bien qui est le moron...
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MessageSujet: Re: Barrick Gold: a ticking time bomb:depuis le tps qu'on le dit   Lun 2 Nov 2009 - 20:11

http://www.24hgold.com/francais/actualite-or-argent--angl-has-barrick-been-barricked-by-the-u-s-.aspx?contributor=Antal+E.+Fekete&article=2323406924G10020&redirect=Falseen théorie la faillite de Barrick n'est pas inimaginable ..

voir celle du 2 eme producteur autralien: Sons of gwallia

le 2eme producteur australien ... c'est pas rien ..

http://000999.forumactif.com/les-hard-investors-f7/pour-les-fans-de-hedgees-style-barrick-denouement-t1458.htm

mais Barrick, c'est Caballas ... voir comment ils ont profité des attaques du cartel sur l'or .. pour raffler des juniors à prix kdo .. belle association de malfaiteurs

now, si "caballas fait faillite .. ", je ne donne pas cher de la peau de barrick ..

avis, purement perso ..

ps: le dernier Fekete à ce sujet ( traduit en bon français )
il raisonne comme si barrick allait réellement couvrir ses hedges ( cad payer en or ).. ce qui amah ne sera pas le cas..

cliquer ici

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MessageSujet: Re: Barrick Gold: a ticking time bomb:depuis le tps qu'on le dit   Mar 3 Nov 2009 - 0:46

nouvelles déclarations du patron de barrick.. et commentaires d'Adrian Douglas

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Barrick may close hedgebook ahead of plan
* Barrick says bought back 1 million oz of gold in Oct
* Could complete programme before 12 month window
* Sees global gold mine production in continuing decline

EDINBURGH, Nov 2 (Reuters) - Barrick Gold , the world's biggest miner of the precious metal, said it may complete the planned closure of its hedgebook announced last month before the end of the 12-month window it had set.
Barrick Chief Financial Officer Jamie Sokalsky also told Reuters the company had bought back 1 million ounces of hedged gold in October.

"We are going to be opportunistic, and we're going to be responsive to the market, but we will have it done by 12 months at the latest," Sokalsky said on the sidelines of the London Bullion Market Association's annual conference.
"We could very well do it before then," he said, adding: "The market was right for us in October to buy the million ounces and we'll see what transpires going forward."
Hedging allows producers to lock in prices for future output, but the strategy can backfire if prices rise significantly.
"The hedgebook had been a disadvantage to our share price, because shareholders didn't think we had (exposure to) upside to the gold price," Sokalasky said.
"By taking away the cap, we should be able to more fully benefit, as we believe the gold prices will rise significantly."
A combination of global economic, political and financial uncertainty and strong fundamentals -- good investment demand combined with constrained mine supply -- mean gold could set new highs in the near future, he said.
"It is hard to put a number on it, but if you look at where gold rose to back in the early 1980s on an inflation-adjusted basis, it was over $2,000 an ounce," he said.
"I am not necessarily predicting that, but I think we can certainly go up by a few hundred dollars, maybe higher," he said.
Gold's record high is $1,070.40 an ounce, set in October.
Sokalsky also said Barrick believes gold mine supply will continue to fall, which would support the gold price.
"There has been a dearth of big gold discoveries, exploration spending had dried up when the gold price was under $300 more than a decade ago, and as a result, there haven't been a lot of exploration finds," he said.
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Yes Barrick, exploration spending did dry up and YOU and Gold Cartel allies were the ones responsible for that dearth. Meanwhile, if the likes of a Barrick was covering, who were the commercial short positions for. We know. Why don’t any of the lame ones in the mainstream gold world ever ask?
Adrian...
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Bill,
As you know I have been approaching the analysis of the LBMA OTC gold market from different angles and I have inferred that they are running a fractional reserve system. This is made possible because the gold is traded in unallocated accounts and many customers don’t take delivery and leave the gold that they believe they have bought in the LBMA vaults. I calculate that the amount of gold that has been sold that doesn’t exist, paper gold if you will, could be around 50,000t. What struck me today in the GATA release about Barrick hedges is the following:
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Barrick Chief Financial Officer Jamie Sokalsky also told Reuters the company had bought back 1 million ounces of hedged gold in October.
"We are going to be opportunistic, and we're going to be responsive to the market, but we will have it done by 12 months at the latest," Sokalsky said on the sidelines of the London Bullion Market Association's annual conference.
"We could very well do it before then," he said, adding: "The market was right for us in October to buy the million ounces and we'll see what transpires going forward."
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Notice where it was that Barrick’s CFO suddenly got an epiphany that they should accelerate the timing of covering their massive hedge book…it was at the London Bullion Market Association's annual conference!! Now do you think someone might have mentioned in the coffee break that investors are asking for their gold and pretty soon it’s going to be obvious that there’s more gold sold than there is available for delivery?
How could the market have been right for Barrick in October??? Gold went up 3.2% in the month…what is opportunistic about covering one million ounces in a rising market? There is only one freakin’ word for that and it is PANIC!
Seems awfully coincidental that it’s while attending the LBMA conference that the CFO reveals there is an even greater urgency for Barrick to cover hedges.
The plot thickens!
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