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MessageSujet: la russie vendrait 45 T or   Jeu 22 Oct 2009 - 23:23

la russie vendrait 45 T or, d'ici la fin du mois .. info ou intox?

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Russia could sell 45t from gold reserves by end of month - source
London, 22 October 2009 - A large consignment of gold to be sold into the loco London market by a state-backed Russian body, as reported earlier today, could top 45 tonnes and may take place by the end of this month, a Russian expert said.

The government agency for precious metals and minerals, Gokhran, intends to sell its first large shipment of gold since the Soviet era, Russian news agency Interfax reported today.

The sale would take place via state-owned export trading company Almazjuvelir, based in Moscow, on the London fix, Interfax reported, citing an unnamed source.

The news surprised Russia watchers in the London bullion market - the move would run counter to a trend by Russia's central bank over the past two years to increase its purchases of gold.

In September, the central bank of the Russian Federation added 12.9 tonnes to its gold reserves, bringing its total gold purchases for this year to more than 70 tonnes and eclipsing the whole of its purchases for 2008, which stood at 69 tonnes.

But the central bank and Gokhran operate independently, several sources said, raising the credibility of the story.

"It's possible. Gokhran holds gold, platinum and possibly silver. It goes back to the dark old murky days when Russia used to hide inventories from the market," one trader said. "The two big questions are: who has said it - does he have authority - and what is ‘big’?"

The story appears to be backed up by evidence in Russia's draft budget for 2010-2012, released earlier this month.

A Russian expert, who declined to be named, said via email: "You have to remember that the Byzantine Empire often employs a well-organised planned approach to commercial activities. Gold is generically viewed there as an asset of the last resort - not a particularly desired one that has to be flogged off as soon as possible."

Gokhran (or Go-Hran) is effectively a depository that keeps the metal and then sells it if and when it is ordered to do so by the Finance Ministry (MinFin), the source said.

The bulk of Gokhran assets consists of palladium and diamonds, with gold competing with diamonds for second place, the source added. When MinFin gives an instruction to sell from its assets, it formulates it in financial rather than physical terms.

"In other words, they just tell Go-Hran that they expect X roubles from them. Nevertheless, they normally 'give an indication' to Go-Hran what particular asset they’d like Go-Hran to sell," the source said. "Other than that, there is no guidance of physical volumes, particular shape of material [or] the market where it should be sold."
The budget lists planned sales of precious metals and gemstones this year of 47.4 billion roubles, with procurements falling to -45.415 billion roubles, according to a report from Interfax dated October 2.

"In [this] particular case, MinFin 'guided' Go-Hran to achieve the bulk revenue of 47.4 billion roubles ($1.63 billion), of which 44.4 billion should be coming from gold," the source said. "If you look at the yesterday’s price and assume the sales go the way they are described... it translates into about 1.4 million ounces (or 44.9 tonnes) of gold."

While there is no indication on the likely timing of the sale, "taking into account the usual cycle of the Russian budgetary process, I’d expect... by the end of this month", the source added.

Speculation this month has also been rife on the possibility of official sector or central bank activity in the gold market.

On the October 9 London afternoon fix, an unusually large volume of around 800 bars or 10 ten tonnes was purchased.

"Maybe the big volumes we have seen on some of the fixes recently is exactly that - China buy / Russia sell," another trader said.
-END-
Hmmm … speaking of disinformation, the Russians are all-pros in this regard. Yes, this report might be true, but it doesn’t jibe with everything else we know.
The Russians are known throughout the world as superb traders, among the very best. Would they let information out like this if they are really going to sell a fair amount of gold? In the late 70’s I worked at Shearson Hayden Stone as a commodities broker and I had a Russian partner, Gregory Kheifets, from Leningrad. The Russians were known as great traders back in those days too. It was right after their renowned grain heist from the US and traders all over were curious what the Russians were up to in the commodities markets. So much so that Ralston Purina flew Gregory and I out to St. Louis to make a presentation in front of their Board.
The Russians are now at the top of the gold producing world. Putting out a bearish story is not up their alley, UNLESS, they really want to BUY.

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http://www.forbes.com/feeds/reuters/2009/10/23/2009-10-23T134018Z_01_LN274842_RTRIDST_0_GOLD-RUSSIA-UPDATE-3.html

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MessageSujet: Re: la russie vendrait 45 T or   Ven 23 Oct 2009 - 10:12

la pseudo-vente FMI a fait long feu on dirait... On nous sort un nouveau hochet ?

Si les russes vendent effectivement ces 45 tonnes c'est uniquement pour soutenir le dollar et les Tbonds qui vont bien avec de l'effondrement trop rapide , alimenter le marché du physique à sec. Une paille .

Rumeur à confirmer qui de toute façon ne change rien à la donne fondamentale. Ils achètent du temps. Un coup de poker menteur.

rajout 14h32
P'tain et en plus Harvey idit com moi con.

The
Russians are the most savvy investors known. They are gold lovers and
wish to participate with China in a new currency backed by gold.
Russia
is not stupid. Do you think that they would announce that they were
going to sell gold and then do so in similar fashion as the stupid
British Government?
Not a chance. Consider this is an official announcement that Russia is in the market to PURCHASE gold.On
a side issue: have you noticed that there is no word on the sale of
the 403 tonnes of IMF gold. Do you know why? Because the Chinese were
informed that the gold is gone or encumbered.
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MessageSujet: Re: la russie vendrait 45 T or   Ven 23 Oct 2009 - 18:36

hihi ... i agree, les russes, s'ils voulaient vendre ( au meilleur prix, bien entendu ) ne l'annonceraient pas à l'avance ..
en plus, ils savent parfaitement, comment fonctionne ce marché..


veulent faire baisser un chouilla, pour ramasser à moins cher??




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MessageSujet: Re: la russie vendrait 45 T or   Ven 23 Oct 2009 - 19:31

Bawi; Les russkofs sont des stratèges...
comme l'a appris Von Paulus à ses dépends à Stalingrad ...

Car Popov ...casse parov......et Cheik Aymat

En attendant ça pourrait permettre aux Oscillos de se détendre et à mes PBPs de s'avérer rentables... Forza Russia...!!!

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MessageSujet: Re: la russie vendrait 45 T or   Mar 27 Oct 2009 - 23:44

la russie reporte son projet de vente d'or .. parceque la nouvelle a été divulguée

si c'est pas les rois de la désinformation, avec ça ..

bref de l'intox, pile poil, comme on avait dit






Russia postpones plan to sell 20-50 tonnes of gold
* Postponement due to plans being leaked
* Sale could have brought in $1.7 bln at current prices


MOSCOW, Oct 27 (Reuters) - The Russian government has postponed its plans to sell 20-50 tonnes of gold this year because information about the sale was leaked, the government agent for precious metals sales said on Tuesday.
"Due to the leak of the information the sale in the reported period and in the reported form will not take place," deputy head of the agent, Almazjuvelirexport (Almaz), Sergei Gorny, told Reuters.
He declined to say when the sale would take place.
On Friday, sources told Reuters the government planned to sell the gold to help plug a budget deficit in the first major sale since the fall of the Soviet Union.
The sales from Russia's State Precious Metals and Gems Repository (Gokhran) could account for 0.5 to 1.25 percent of global consumption of the metal, which soared to a record $1,070.40 per ounce on Oct.14 .
At current prices, selling 50 tonnes of gold will have brought in $1.7 billion at a time when Russia is looking for ways to finance its budget deficits.

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MessageSujet: Re: la russie vendrait 45 T or   Ven 30 Oct 2009 - 1:01

et ça continue .. quand même !!

je sais pas à quoi ils jouent, eux ..




Finance Ministry could sell 25 tonnes of gold, possibly on domestic market
From Interfax, Moscow
Thursday, October 29, 2009
MOSCOW -- The Russian Finance Ministry has not shelved plans to sell gold from the State Precious Metals and Gemstones Repository (Gokhran) and could sell approximately 25 tonnes of the metal, possibly on the domestic market, a ministry official told Interfax.
"We might not sell on the external market," Alexander Akhpolov, a department head responsible for precious metals, said. "But how can we not sell at all if we have a presidential decree and sales plan, endorsed by the government?" he said.
"The decree does not specify a volume, but there is a general amount for sales by the Gokhran in total. It's not all gold -- there are other metals as well, and we plan to sell not 40-50 tonnes but something like 25 tonnes," Akhpolov said.
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MessageSujet: Re: la russie vendrait 45 T or   Ven 30 Oct 2009 - 9:41

Citation:
je sais pas à quoi ils jouent, eux ..


Si je décode correctement le message, il s'agit de faire une vente privée (hoax= marché intérieur) afin d'alimenter le défaut en cours des 20 tonnes à Londres... Afin que le marché n'explose pas prématurément dans l'agenda des grosses têtes. Les BC de l'ouest pro cartel sont donc A SEC !
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MessageSujet: Re: la russie vendrait 45 T or   Ven 30 Oct 2009 - 10:30

certes, Nofear .. mais je voudrais bien comprendre en koi les russkoffs sont concernés par le pb que tu évoques !!

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MessageSujet: Re: la russie vendrait 45 T or   Ven 30 Oct 2009 - 15:48

les russkoffs n'ont aucun intérêt comme les chinois à la mort immédiate du $. Leurs réserves papier partiraient en fumée instantanément. Il est trop tôt pour eux de tuer le $ et le remplacer par les DTS pas encore finalisés ainsi que la nouvelle organisation régionalisée/multipolaire du système financier. Les nouvelles monnaies ne sont pas encore tout à fait "prêtes". La machine gold s'emballe trop vite. Les "joueurs" d'en face n'ont pas les munitions "officielles" qu'ils déclarent détenir...
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MessageSujet: Re: la russie vendrait 45 T or   Ven 30 Oct 2009 - 16:37

absolument d'accord

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MessageSujet: Re: la russie vendrait 45 T or   Ven 20 Nov 2009 - 0:52

sacrés russkoffs, les voilà qui se déclarent acheteurs, now ..950.000 onces (30 T mètriques), d'ici la fin de l'année



http://en.rian.ru/russia/20091119/156903575.html


Russia's Central Bank set to buy 965,000 oz of gold by yearend
From RIA Novosti, Moscow
Thursday, November 19, 2009
MOSCOW -- Russia's Central Bank said on Thursday it is ready to buy 30 metric tons (965,000 troy ounces) of gold at market prices from the country's precious metals depositary, Gokhran, by the end of the year.
Central Bank First Deputy Chairman Alexei Ulyukayev said the means of payment for the gold will depend on the requirements of the Finance Ministry and will probably be denominated in rubles.
Ulyukayev played down fears that the timing of the purchase could prove unfavorable given the current high price of gold, currently over $1,000 per troy ounce on global markets.
"They are at the peak levels relative to the previous period, but predictions of price dynamics vary," he said.
The Central Bank's announcement to buy up gold comes amid increasing international assets held by the bank, which grew by $7.8 billion in the week of November 6-13 to $441.7 billion. The cash paid for the gold will be used by the Finance Ministry to cover next year's state budget deficit, predicted at 6.8% of GDP.
This year Russia is running a deficit of 7.7% of GDP.

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MessageSujet: Re: la russie vendrait 45 T or   Ven 20 Nov 2009 - 12:24

il auraient vendu pour des USpesos ; ils achétent contre leurs propres roubles qu'ils peuvent imprimer. Au moins ces roubles-là seront-ils garantis par de l'or ...
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MessageSujet: Re: la russie vendrait 45 T or   Sam 21 Nov 2009 - 4:09

arf les coquins !!



regardez la date du post de tête de file ( 22 oct ) où ils annoncent une intention de vendre 45 T d'or
et la date de cette news .. +15 .5 T ds les réserves de la BC russe pour octobre

sans compter le post du 27 oct..où ils prétendent reporter cette vente, parceque son annonce aurait été divulguée ( fuites inopportunes)

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The Russian Central Bank has reported adding 15.5 tonnes (500,000 ozs) to its reserves in October, bringing them to 19.5Mm 0zs (606.6 tonnes). Most likely the purchases were from domestic producers and from Gokhran, the state agency reported to be intending to sell some time ago.

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traduction :

la BC Russe annonce avoir ajouté 15.5 T à ses réserves, en octobre.. les portant à 606.6 tonnes
il semble que ces achats aient été fait sur la production nationale de Gokhran, dont l'intention de vendre avait été annoncée auparavant .. par l'agence de presse nationale
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lol... auparavant ... tu veux dire en même temps ..
et au fait, c'est l'agence nationale qui a annoncé ça, ou ce sont des fuites soit disant inopportunes?? , faudrait savoir !


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