Bons trésor US saisis à la frontière italo suisse pour 134 milliards $?

Hello, c'est Franck de Bankster qui vient de m'envoyer cette info, je la retranscris ici pour savoir si quelqu'un en a entendu parler parce que la somme en cause est inhabituellement énorme tout de même sur la base de la news:

http://tempsreel.nouvelobs.com/actualites/international/20090611.OBS0268/134_milliards_de_dollars_saisis_a_la_frontiere_italosui.html

134 milliards de dollars en bons US, soit c'est pas une paille, soit le dollar s'est vachement dévalué dans mon sommeil!

Est-ce que les suisses du forum en auraient entendu parler?

(reste à savoir si ce sont des vrais ou des faux... bien que la différence entre les vrais et les faux soit très relative )

GdB

PS: pour lire l'intégralité sur le sujet
http://www.google.fr/search?sourceid=navclient&hl=fr&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGLJ_fr&q=bons+tr%c3%a9sor+saisis+suisse

Ah ben c'est bon on sait d'où ça vient ces 134 milliards:

http://www.latribune.fr/entreprises/banques-finance/20090421trib000369054/plan-de-stabilite-financiere-1346-milliards-de-dollars-encore-disponibles.html

Pour info le blog le plus fourni est celui là, mais le gars est parti au quart de tour sur les interprêtations (amusant, il a mis en relation sans en faire une blague les chiffres des 134 milliards de la prise et de Geithner )

http://adscriptum.blogspot.com/2009/06/134-milliards-de-dollars-suite.html

Donc bon, faut dire que le montant fait fantasmer, et la lenteur des douanes italiennes à dire si ce sont des vrais ou des faux n'aide pas!

Les scans de soi-disant docs officiels (signés Bernanke) de l'article (qui sont ceux d'une autre affaire) sont issus d'un étange site d'info "etleboro" dont une rapide recherche sur whois m'a indiqué que c'était un site... bosniaque!

Bon démerder le vrai du faux la dedans, ça me semble plus dur que pour le 9/11...

des articles ici aussi ...
http://goldismoney.info/forums/showthread.php?t=150966&page=691

pour moi, les vrais ou les faux dollars ou TB émis par la FED ou non... c'est kif kif bourricot ...

quand il y a pléthore, ....

étrange affaire ..


ça entre autres :

(4) On March 30, 2009, the US Treasury Department announced that USD $134.5 billion remained in its Troubled Asset Relief Program [TARP]. The stated amount of seized bearer bonds was $134.5 billion. Coincidence?

http://seekingalpha.com/article/143462-strange-inconsistencies-in-the-134-5-billion-bearer-bond-mystery

l'auteur insiste également sur le faits que les contrebandiers se sont apparemment fait prendre, exprès ..
currency war pour déboulonner plus rapidement us $?

William Pesek: Suitcase with $134 billion puts dollar on edge

Submitted by cpowell on 06:59AM ET Saturday, June 20, 2009.
Section: Daily Dispatches
By William Pesek
Bloomberg News
Wednesday, June 17, 2009
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=a62_boqkurbI
Two Japanese men are detained in Italy after allegedly attempting to take
$134 billion worth of U.S. bonds over the border into Switzerland. Details are
maddeningly sketchy, so naturally the global rumor mill is kicking into high
gear.
Are these would-be smugglers agents of Kim Jong Il stashing North Korea's
cash in a Swiss vault? Bagmen for Nigerian Internet scammers? Was the money
meant for terrorists looking to buy nuclear warheads? Is Japan dumping its
dollars secretly? Are the bonds real or counterfeit?
The implications of the securities being legitimate would be bigger than
investors may realize. At a minimum, it would suggest that the U.S. risks losing
control over its monetary supply on a massive scale.
The trillions of dollars of debt the U.S. will issue in the next couple of
years needs buyers. Attracting them will require making sure that existing ones
arenâ€t losing faith in U.S. ability to control the dollar.
The dollar is, for better or worse, the core of our world economy and i'â€s
best to keep it stable. News that's more fitting for international spy novels
than the financial pages wonâ€t help that effort. It is incumbent upon the U.S.
Treasury to get to the bottom of this tale and keep markets informed.
Think about it: These two guys were carrying the gross domestic product of
New Zealand or enough for three Beijing Olympics. If economies were for sale,
the men could buy Slovakia and Croatia and have plenty left over for Mongolia or
Cambodia. Yes, they could have built vacation homes amidst Genghis Khan's Gobi
Desert or the famed Temples of Angkor. Bernard Madoff who?
These men carrying bonds concealed in the bottom of their luggage also would
be the fourth-largest U.S. creditors. It makes you wonder if some of the time
Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner spends keeping the Chinese and Japanese
invested in dollars should be devoted to well-financed men crossing the
Italian-Swiss border.
This tale has gotten little attention in markets, perhaps because of the
absurdity of our times. The last year has been a decidedly disorienting one for
capitalists who once knew up from down, red from black and risk from reward. It
almost fits with the surreal nature of today that a couple of travelers have
more U.S. debt than Brazil in a suitcase and, well, that's life.
You can almost picture Tom Clancy sitting in his study thinking: "Damn! Why
didn't I think of this yarn and novelize it years ago?" He could have sprinkled
in a Chinese angle, a pinch of Russian intrigue, a dose of Pyongyang, and a bit
of Taiwan-Strait tension into the mix. Presto, a sure bestseller.
Daniel Craig may be thinking this is a great story on which to base the next
James Bond flick. Perhaps Don Johnson could buy the rights to this tale. In
2002, the "Miami Vice" star was stopped by German customs officers as he was
traveling in a car carrying credit notes and other securities worth as much as
$8 billion. Now he could claim it was all, uh, research.
When I first heard of the $134 billion story, I was tempted to glance at my
calendar to make sure it didn't read April 1.
Let's assume for a moment that these U.S. bonds are real. That would make a
mockery of Japanese Finance Minister Kaoru Yosano's "absolutely unshakable"
confidence in the credibility of the U.S. dollar. Yosano would have some
explaining to do about Japan's $686 billion of U.S. debt if more of these
suitcase capers come to light.
Counterfeit $100 bills are one thing; two guys with undeclared bonds
including 249 certificates worth $500 million and 10 "Kennedy bonds" of $1
billion each is quite another.
The bust could be a boon for Italy. If the securities are found to be
genuine, the smugglers could be fined 40 percent of the total value for
attempting to take them out of the country. Not a bad payday for a government
grappling with a widening budget deficit and rebuilding the town of L'Aquila,
which was destroyed by an earthquake in April.
It would be terrible news for the White House. Other than the U.S., China, or
Japan, no other nation could theoretically move those amounts. In the absence of
clear explanations coming from the Treasury, conspiracy theories are filling the
void.
On his blog, the Market Ticker, Karl Denninger wonders if the Treasury "has
been surreptitiously issuing bonds to, say, Japan, as a means of financing
deficits that someone didn't want reported over the last, oh, say 10 or 20
years." Adds Denninger: "Let's hope we get those answers, and this isn't one of
those 'funny things' that just disappears into the night."
This is still a story with far more questions than answers. It's odd, though,
that it's not garnering more media attention. Interest is likely to grow. The
last thing Geithner and Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke need right now is
tens of billions more of U.S. bonds -- or even high-quality fake ones --
suddenly popping up around the globe.
----
William Pesek is a Bloomberg News columnist. The opinions expressed are
his own.

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U.S. says smuggled Treasury bonds were fake

Submitted by cpowell on 05:46PM ET Saturday, June 20, 2009.
Section: Daily Dispatches
Italian Mafia Blamed for $134 Billion in Fake Treasury Bills
From the Financial Times, London
Thursday, June 18, 2009
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/82091ec2-5c2f-11de-aea3-00144feabdc0.html?ncli...
One summer afternoon, two "Japanese" men in their 50s on a slow train from
Italy to Switzerland said they had nothing to declare at the frontier point of
Chiasso.
But in a false bottom of one of their suitcases, Italian customs officers and
ministry of finance police discovered a staggering $134 billion in US Treasury
bills.
Whether the men are really Japanese, as their passports declare, is unclear,
but Italian and US secret services working together soon concluded that the
bills and accompanying bank documents were most probably counterfeit, the latest
handiwork of the Italian Mafia.
Few details have been revealed beyond a June 4 statement by the Italian
finance police announcing the seizure of 249 US Treasury bills, each of $500
million, and 10 "Kennedy" bonds, used as intergovernment payments, of $1 billion
each. The men were apparently tailed by the Italian authorities.
The mystery deepened on Thursday as an Italian blog quoted Colonel Rodolfo
Mecarelli of the Como provincial finance police as saying the two men had been
released. The colonel and police headquarters in Rome both declined to respond
to questions from the Financial Times.
"They are all fraudulent. It's obvious. We don't even have paper securities
outstanding for that value," said Mckayla Braden, senior adviser for public
affairs at the Bureau of Public Debt at the US Treasury department. "This type
of scam has been going on for years."
The Treasury has not issued physical Treasury bonds since the 1980s -- they
are handled electronically -- though they still issue savings bonds in paper
format.
In Washington a US Secret Service official said the agency, which is working
with the Italian authorities, believed the bonds were fake.
Officials in Tokyo were nonplussed. Takeshi Akamatsu, a Japanese foreign
ministry press secretary, said Italian authorities had confirmed that two men
carrying Japanese passports had been questioned in the bond case but Tokyo had
not been informed of their names or whereabouts.
"We don't know where they are now," Mr Akamatsu said.
Italian officials, while pointing out that hauls of counterfeit money and
Treasury bills were not unusual, were stunned by the amount involved.
Investigators are looking into the origin and destination of the fakes.
Italian prosecutors revealed last month that they had cracked a $1 billion
bond scam run by the Sicilian Mafia, with the alleged aid of corrupt officials
in Venezuela's central bank. Twenty people were arrested in four countries.
The fake bonds were to have been used as collateral to open credit lines with
banks, the Reuters news agency reported. The Venezuelan central bank denied the
accusations.

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la suite avec un post de odyssee4 de bourso, merci à lui



Posté par odyssee4 · Mary....les 134milliards en US bonds... Auj. à 13:40
vous devriez en parler un peu plus sur votre site...

--->Vous vous rappellez probalement de ces deux japonais qui ont tenté incognito de faire passer l'équivalent de 134 milliards de dollars en bons du trésor américain en Suisse et qui furent arrêtés le 4 juin à Chiasso, à la frontière Italie-Suisse...eh bien on commence à en savoir un peu plus...

Détails croustillants: ces deux personnes sont messieurs Akihiko Yamaguchi et Mitsuyoshi Wanatabe, deux empoyés du ministère des finances au Japon
...l'un d'eux (Akihikoa) est d'ailleurs le beau-frère de Mr Toshiro Muto (ancien vice-gouverneur de la Banque du Japon)...

Dès le tout début de cette affaire, le gvt amériacin
s'était empressé de déclarer que ces bons du trésor étaient des faux...pourtant les autorités italiennes n'ont pas vraiment le même point de vue...

Autre point, le journaliste Hal Turner qui a été le *** premier *** à dévoiler certaines points importants de cette affaire, à savoir que les titres étaient en possession de deux employés du Ministère japonais des Finances (info donnée quelques jours après par Asianews + Italia Oggi + Milano Finanzo), et que d'après les numéros de série, les 134,5 milliards $ faisaient partie des 686 milliards $ de la dette U.S. officiellement détenue par le Japon (il annonçait par ailleurs que dans les jours suivants il aurait été en mesure de communiquer les numéros de série pour prouver leur authenticité)...eh bien cette personne est incarcérée depuis le 24 juin...son site et son blog ont été rendus inaccessibles sans autre forme de procés...

On peut douter bien entendu de l'authenticité de ces bons sauf que certains aspects sont troublants: les autorités italiennes ont révélées que sur ces 134 milliards de dollars, une petite partie étaient des US Notes à l'éffigie de JF.Kennedy (10 bonds "Kennedy" d'1 milliard $ chacun)...ce type de billet ont bien été émis de façon confidentielle en 1998 en pleine crise asiatique par le Trésor US et non par la Fed (info confirmée par Asianews)...et l'on voit mal des faussaires s'amuser à contrefaire, pour une toute petite partie de la somme à écouler, des billets dont il en éxiste trés peu en circulation...

Voila c'est une petite synthèse et cette histoire est passionnante...je vous encourage à effectuer votre propre recherche.

Je sors cette page de celles du site Adscriptum car ça y cause de certificats or de la famille impériale chinoise, pas tout compris mais bon:

http://adscriptum.blogspot.com/2009/07/134-milliards-de-dollars-dragon-family.html

GdB

Ce n'est pas la famille impériale chinoise ... mais japonaise
aligato !

Superbe enquête sur le site ... que de révélations !
C'est un magnifique polar

La saga s'étant poursuivie pendant qu'on ne la suivait plus je vous remets les derniers épisodes et c'est tout de même "troublant" tout ça pour reprendre un mot à utiliser dans une autre affaire que vous connaissez!

En tout cas le trafic de vrais ou faux bons d'un milliard de dollars semble en explosion, on se demande bien pourquoi les petites coupures sont réputées plus faciles à écouler puisque là ça ne semble pas poser trop de problème avec ces bons d'un montant un peu supérieur . Parce que s'ils sont faux, on voit mal un couillon se les faire refiler. Mais là c'est une série de couillons prêt à les accepter qu'il y aurait en Suisse, un vrai nid en somme

C'est... troublant non?



http://adscriptum.blogspot.com/2009/09/134-milliards-de-dollars-autre-saisie.html

http://adscriptum.blogspot.com/2009/09/3145-milliards-de-dollars-la-piste.html

http://adscriptum.blogspot.com/2009/09/xyz-milliards-de-dollars-251-saisis.html

oui, très troublant GDB.. ces gens qui se font prendre "bétement".. false flag monétaire?

meuh non, chui trop parano, moi .. et pourtant, c'est tentant ..



mais de qui, le false flag??

de l'offensé ( les us ) ou des clans supposés adverses??

alors là .., c'est trop m'en demander ... mais ça interpelle !!