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par marie Ven 6 Jan 2006 - 21:23

short ( hedging)   de 2 ans de production zinc et acier   + 6 mois de production silver !!  rien que ça .. !!  titanic  et ce au pire moment

nous n'avons jamais été chaud pour cette sté .. ( euphémisme )  et voila un parfait exemple de nos
motivations à rester extrememnt froids sur cette action

And please remember, selling more than one year’s actual production is not hedging; it’s gambling.

et svp rappelez vous : shorter plus d'un an de sa production actuelle annuelle , n'est pas du hedging .. c'est du poker !



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With Barrick’s rotten experience of shorting years of production so obvious, you would think no company would ever do that again. You would be wrong. Apex Silver (SIL) just did it. And they did it at precisely the wrong time. Specifically, Apex sold two years’ production of both zinc and lead during the third quarter, as well as 6 months’ production of silver. At the close on December 30th, zinc prices had climbed almost 40% since September 30th, with outsized gains in lead and silver as well, putting Apex’s shorts immediately under water. They’ve got to be many tens of millions of dollars in the hole already. We’ll see when they report 4th quarter results.

And get this; Apex is not scheduled to actually produce any metal for a couple of years. So there is no way the company could deliver material against their short sales now, even if they wanted to. What is it that makes mining executives take such big trading risks? I have seen no evidence that shareholders want mining management to take such big risks. Shareholders want management to increase production and reserves and show a profit, not to try to outsmart the market.

extrait du topo de Ted Butler que vous trouverez en integral ds la file consacrée à barrick

http://www.hardinvestor.net/viewtopic.forum?p=11055#11055


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par marie Jeu 4 Mai 2006 - 15:44

How Apex Silver swindled investors and Bolivia through hedging.


Silver Stock Report
May 4, 2006
by Jason Hommel


About 6 months ago, Apex silver borrowed $225 million dollars, and did the minimum required hedging of silver, zinc, and lead, to secure the loan. In those 6 months, silver and zinc prices have about doubled, and the mark-to-market losses are, I estimate, over $715 million dollars!

A loss that big, over 6 months, is like a loan at 900% annual interest, or more! http://www.smartmoney.com/compoundcalc/ But the terms of the interest rate were hidden, buried in commodity prices.

This shows why companies cannot hedge in bull market, when inflationary forces are accelerating! You can't lock in dollar prices you will receive, when dollar prices are increasing wildly!

Investors, make sure you don't own any stocks that are hedged. There is no such thing as "responsible hedging".

The market cap of Apex silver, at $900 million, is barely larger than their loss.

Furthermore, since Bolivia has stated that they intend to lay a heavy tax on the mines in Bolivia, the future looks very bad for Apex silver.

Bolivia says to assume greater control of mining
http://tinyurl.com/gya96


LA PAZ, Bolivia, May 2 (Reuters) - A day after Bolivia's president said the nationalization of the energy sector was "just the start," the country's vice president said on Tuesday the state wanted more control of the mining industry.

Vice president Alvaro Garcia said big mining companies must pay higher taxes and said the government would have a larger role in the industry, but he seemed to rule out a nationalization similar to that in the energy sphere.


Bolivia plans to take over mines, forests as next move
http://denverpost.com/latin/ci_3777550


La Paz, Bolivia - Bolivia's leftist government said Tuesday that it would extend control over mining, logging and other sectors of the economy after President Evo Morales nationalized the country's huge natural- gas industry.


And yet, how can Bolivia levy a heavy tax on Apex, if Apex silver will show such a huge loss for years to come, as the hedges have a term of up to 7 years? Looks like the government of Bolivia will soon get an education on hedges, to explain the shortfall of tax revenue. If I was to advise Bolivia on what to do, I would tell Bolivia to force Apex to do what I advised Apex silver to do: offer to pay workers, who want it, silver. Such a plan on how to do that while paper money is in use is available here, in my Silver Coin Proposal: http://www.silverstockreport.com/silvercoinproposal.htm

The Mining companies in Bolivia seem to be withholding information from investors, and are not telling the full story, as the miners emphasize that there are no plans for "nationalization" of the mines, or that they do not know of any such plans. Similarly, the mining companies are not telling the whole, updated story with regard to the mark-to-market losses on their hedges.

Apex sure has a hard road ahead, because they tried to take the easy road to riches, by trying to borrow their way to wealth.

Here is how I arrived at my estimate of Apex's hedging loss.

http://www.apexsilver.com
see "Investor Relations"
see "shareholder information"
then "press releases"

Nov. 14th press release:
Apex Silver Reports Third Quarter 2005 Results, Progress on San Cristobal and the $225-million Bank Financing Facility
http://phx.corporate-ir.net/phoenix.zhtml?c=113158&p=irol-newsArticle&ID=782256&highlight=


In the third quarter 2005, Apex Silver recorded a $9.6-million mark-to-market non-cash trading loss, primarily tied to the newly-established hedge positions required in connection with the $225-million bank financing to develop its 100%-owned San Cristobal open-pit silver-zinc-lead project located in southwestern Bolivia. All hedge positions required for the bank loan have been established. They include a combination of forward sales and a variety of call options (struck at different prices) covering approximately 10.4 million ounces of silver, 358,150 tonnes of zinc and 159,000 tonnes of lead over a seven-year period (the mine is projected to have a 16-year life based on existing proven and probable reserves and throughputs). These hedge positions represent about 3.5%, 12.6% and 14.7% of planned life-of-mine payable production of silver, zinc and lead, respectively.


Apex had a 3rd Q, 2005, $9.6 million, mark-to-market loss on hedges of:
10.4 million ounces of silver,
358,150 tonnes of zinc
159,000 tonnes of lead

Assuming prices at Oct. 1, 2005 for the hedges (which is generous, as they were already underwater by then):

http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/zinc_historical.html
About $.70/lb zinc in October 2005.
http://www.kitcometals.com/charts/lead_historical.html
About $.45/lb lead in October 2005
http://www.kitco.com/charts/livesilver.html
About $7.90/oz. silver in October 2005

Value of Apex's hedged metals on Oct. 1, 2005:
10.4 million ounces of silver @ $7.90 = $82 million
358,150 tonnes of zinc x 2204lbs./tonne @ $.70/lb. = $553,000,000
159,000 tonnes of lead x 2204lbs./tonne @ $.45/lb. = $158,000,000

Whoever loaned Apex silver $225 million, sure got a lot more dollars worth of commodities, promised to be delivered, than they paid for. And since the time of this hedge, commodity prices for silver and started really taking off, moving up almost parabolic! Whoever made the loan, sure knew something about commodities that Apex silver did not!

Here are the dollar values of Apex's hedged commodities today!

10.4 million ounces of silver @ $13.69 = $142 million
358,150 tonnes of zinc x 2204lbs./tonne @ $1.50/lb. = $1,180,000,000
159,000 tonnes of lead x 2204lbs./tonne @ $.53/lb. = $186,000,000

Today, these hedges are underwater, and have a mark-to-market loss of about:

silver: $60 million
zinc: $627 million
lead: $28 million

For a total loss of about $715 million.

How did Apex justify such stupidity, at the time?


"Our strategy was two-fold," said Mark A. Lettes, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer of Apex Silver. "First, to hedge the minimum amount of metal necessary to secure bank financing, and second, to maximize shareholder-value upside potential relative to the price of silver. Both objectives have been met as the company remains well exposed to potentially escalating prices of zinc, lead and especially silver. At the same time, our lenders have been provided with the requisite downside protection."


Clearly, hedging the "minimum necessary" did not work. Clearly, it did NOT maximize shareholder value!

Apex was warned.

In 2003, at a San Francisco mining show, I spoke with Igor Levental, Vice President Investor Relations and Corporate Development of Apex Silver, and I strongly urged him, that since Apex silver had millions of dollars in cash, and was, at the time, waiting for higher silver prices before going into production, that he might as well buy silver while waiting for higher silver prices. I went over the bullish case for silver with him. He dismissed the idea out of hand. Again, about 6 months later, I spoke with Igor again at a mining show in New York, face to face, and again, without any justification or rational thought, he ignored me.

Igor thought that buying silver, while waiting for higher silver prices, was a foolish idea. The company ended up doing the exact opposite, and hedged silver, sold silver, at just under $8/oz.! Who knew the near term producer would be so foolish? I gave them the benefit of the doubt back in 2003 when I wrote:

Miners to Use Silver as Cash - 27 November 2003
http://www.silverstockreport.com/essays/Miners_to_Use_Silver_as_Cash.html

Apex sure seems like a large company, at $900 million, with their 8 billion pounds of zinc in the ground, averaging a grade of under 1%.

But tiny market cap Metalline Mining (MMGG.OB), another soon to be producer, is unhedged, and has 5 billion pounds of zinc resources, at grades above 10% zinc per tonne! Metalline Mining, in Mexico, at 50 million shares outstanding, at $2.50/share, has a market cap of $125 million. (The market cap listed at Yahoo! Finance does not take into account the recent financing.)

Since zinc prices have exploded to $1.54/lb., Metalline Mining's projection of 400 million pounds of zinc production per year, at a cost of $.25/lb., is a projected profit of $520 million per year, (after financing of about $250 million). Metalline is currently working on a feasibility study, but I think 10% zinc is going to be quite feasible!

Metalline also has very high grade silver, as follows:

"The Sierra Mojada Property has produced in excess of 10 million tons of high-grade ore that graded in excess of 30% lead, 20% zinc, 1% copper and 1 kg (31 ounces) silver per ton that was shipped directly to the smelter. The district has never had a mill to concentrate ore. All of the mining was done selectively for ore of sufficient grade to direct ship; mill grade ore was left unmined."
(That's 310 million ounces of silver. Who knows how much silver is left?) That's the question with an explorer, like Metalline.


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